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Here is a question I received from a customer recently.
I rebuilt my 1904 using kit #k4043, got new mixture screw and pump link. not having much carb experience I think I have some problems. I’ll list what I think is wrong.
Will idle only if choke partially closed, did it before rebuild too
Fuel dumping out of main metering port onto choke plate while idling
Inline glass filter always full, used to be half full
Vacumm hole in base of throttle body blocked, but intersects with hole in the bore
Idle mixture screw is ineffective whether screwed in or out
There is no dashpot lever spring
Carb doesn’t mount directly on the manifold, but on what appears to be a stack of gaskets, but everything lines up linkage-wise.
I did the fix for the warped body and now it’s flat.
In your video you mention the plastic ball in the main body sometimes not being there and not making a difference, I put mine in.
The only thing I didn’t replace were the balls for the main metering body because the balls and weight were moving very freely.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Joe
The fact that the engine will only idle with the choke partially closed means that there is too much air due to a vacuum leak somewhere, or that it isn’t getting enough fuel. Since the problem was there before the rebuild, I would start by looking for a vacuum leak.
Spray carburetor cleaner around connections and if the idle smooths out, or the RPM changes, then you have located the leak. I would start with the non standard stack of gaskets. After that check all other connections such as the intake manifold. If the carburetor will mount with the standard 1 gasket, then I would take the other gaskets off.
Fuel dumping means that you are getting too much fuel in the float bowl. Did you seal around the inlet bolt with the Permatex anaerobic. If not, check out my instructions on how to do that. Did you recently replace the fuel pump? A new fuel pump might have too much pressure. Test the fuel pump pressure and compare to the specification in your motor manual. I’m guessing somewhere around 5 – 6 lbs.
The hole in the base of the throttle body leads up to the vacuum port at the top of the carburetor. This is used for the distributor advance and needs to be open all the way to the intake vacuum. Having this covered up will cause problems. If you have to, make a hole in the gasket.
The missing spring from the dashpot is not the problem. The dashpot is used on automatic transmission type of cars and it holds the throttle open for a second or so when you let up on the gas, allowing for any left over gas mixture to be burned.
One of the most common problems on almost any carburetor is when the accelerator pump circuit fails to deliver the correct amount of fuel. The accelerator circuit works, you guessed it, when accelerating. Throttling up requires an extra shot of fuel and the accelerator pump forces that extra fuel up through the main discharge and out the venturi, mixing with the fuel already being delivered to the engine.
(a) illustrates the main discharge hole. This hole will either have a ball and weight, or a ball and spring. Replace with the same combination. Check ball 1st, then either the spring, or the weight.
There are several things to think about when rebuilding your carburetor, especially around the accelerator pump circuit. Make sure the pump well is polished so that the pump cup glides smoothly and clean out all of the small passages in the venturi. Using thin wire is about the only way, since cleaners and compressed air are not going to remove all of the ethanol deposits left behind.
With everything clean and you are ready to assemble the carburetor, it is a good idea to test the accelerator pump circuit before closing up the carburetor.
Test your accelerator pump circuit as follows:
- Fill the float bowl with liquid. We use mineral spirits.
- The accelerator pump well should fill up with liquid.
- Insert the pump and press down. Liquid should come out of the main discharge.
- Replace the check ball.
- Hold the check ball down with a brass drift punch (gently).
- Again, press down on the pump. You should feel a slight resistance since the check ball is not allowing liquid up through the discharge hole. If no resistance, then gently tap the check ball and the drift punch in order to seat the check ball.
- Install the venturi cluster and gasket.
- Press down on the pump again. You should get a good squirt out of the venturi. If not, then the passages are plugged. Use thin wire to clean out the passages.
With the test above completed you can feel confident that the accelerator pump circuit is going to perform as it should.
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I would look closely at the main discharge. See #28 on the diagram to the right. Remove the aluminum clean out plug. If you purchased our kit you will find one was added but bagged separate from the kit.
Using a flat blade screw driver remove the discharge jet. These are often frozen into the carburetor. In these cases I would leave it in the carburetor and clean it out while in the carburetor. You may have to use thin wire to get the jet cleaned out. I know one person that drills the jet out by 1 size to accomidate the current fuel, but personally I would do that only if you are having an issue when accelerating. These jets are not available so damaging one is not an option here.
Make sure the passage going from the main discharge to the accelerator pump well is not clogged and clean.
# 30 is the pump check ball. Make sure it wasn’t left out and is clean. This is the bigger check ball of the 2.
On most B&B carburetors there will be a check ball at the bottom of the pump well along with a clip that holds it in. This is where the fuel enters the well. Make sure the ball is there and that it is working. When you fill the float bowl with (mineral spirits), the ball should lift up by the weight of the fuel and fill the well.
Put the main discharge back in along with the pump check ball and plug, then fill the pump well with fluid. Insert the accelerator pump and press down. Fluid should come out of the main discharge and into the carburetor throat. It’s difficult to describe just how much should come out, but you will see it drip out the bottom of the carburetor in a good quantity.
Here is a question I got from one of my customers.
My Rochester 2 jet Has a stumble when pulling away from a light or stop sign. I purchased a accelerator pump and power valve from you. I thoroughly cleaned the carburetor and replaced those items. Now with the engine turned off I have a great pump stream. But if the car is running no pump stream. Turn the motor off and great pump stream again. Any advice on this would be appreciated!
I assume that when you say you get a good stream when the engine is off that you are pumping the throttle and watching the accelerator stream out of the main discharge. What comes to mind 1st is the main discharge and the check ball. Be sure the larger check ball is placed in the main discharge hole, then the copper colored spring, then the T.
The more likely suspect is that there is low fuel in the float bowl and the engine when running is using up most of the fuel and there isn’t enough to run over into the accelerator pump well. This could happen to the type 2 Jet that doesn’t use a check ball and feeds itself over the side of the well through the slit.
The 1st thing to do is make sure the float is set to factory specifications. While doing this use some teflon thread paste (NO tape) on the needle’s seat threads and wipe the viton needle tip with some no residual spray, or mineral spirits.
Another possibility is a bad fuel pump or some other impediment to fuel delivery. Check the fuel pressure of the fuel pump and make sure it is within factory specifications.
From my friend Jeff “Do you tell all of your customers (as I do) to use only fuel-injection-grade fuel hose (SAE 30 R9) or Gates Barricade hose? This saves me a lot of complaints as internally-collapsing R6 or R7 hose is often miss-diagnosed as a carburetor or fuel pump problem; it is due to — what else — ethanol damage.”
So there you go, some possible remedy to a rather peculiar problem.
When your Mercarb marine carburetor is getting too much fuel there is a list of items you can check. Gas fumes, rough idle, dies after idling for a few minutes and black smoke are all indicative of too much fuel being pumped into the engine. We will assume the electrical system is correct.
The Carter WA-1, 1 barrel carburetor can have one check ball in some cases and in other cases, 2 check balls. Most WA-1 will need both check balls.
Both types will need a check ball in the main discharge tube. When you have two check balls in the carburetor kit, install the bigger of the two in the main discharge. When required and for most WA-1 carburetors place the smaller (and sometimes aluminum) in the accelerator pump well.
NOS, New Old Stock, which means a part has been sitting around for several years and may not be produced anymore. Some refer to NOS as new old original equipment parts, but NOS can also include non original aftermarket parts.
I get questions about fuel leaking at the throttle shaft often. This time it is a question about the Carter W-1 carburetor leaking fuel past the throttle shaft.